{"id":252,"date":"2015-05-07T16:43:46","date_gmt":"2015-05-07T15:43:46","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.thedissenter.co.uk\/?p=252"},"modified":"2015-05-07T16:43:46","modified_gmt":"2015-05-07T15:43:46","slug":"stepping-forward","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www1.thedissenter.co.uk\/?p=252","title":{"rendered":"Stepping forward?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www1.thedissenter.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/05\/Step-forward-2-1.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone wp-image-312 size-large\" src=\"http:\/\/www.thedissenter.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/05\/Step-forward-2-1024x295.png\" alt=\"Step forward \" width=\"540\" height=\"156\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><strong>Progressive steps: the\u00a0regulatory hammer to hand.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Progressives\u00a0believe they are right. No. Progressives\u00a0<em>know<\/em> they are right. And to reinforce that certainty the default position is to make sure they are, by law. First response to impose that &#8216;rightness&#8217; is to reach for the regulatory hammer.<!--more--><\/p>\n<p>In Northern Ireland we have had two examples of this in recent years.<\/p>\n<p>First was the collapse of Haass talks in December 2013. The Alliance Party\u2019s illiberal advocacy of flag regulation\u00a0went too far with the\u00a0proposal for a <a title=\"Haass Draft 2 - Alliance ideas for 'flags commission', inserted pages 19\/20, were removed in later drafts.\" href=\"https:\/\/www1.thedissenter.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/04\/Draft-2-19-December-2013-1.pdf\" target=\"_blank\">Political and Cultural Expression Facilitation Office<\/a>, which\u00a0was removed in later drafts, and Alliance\u00a0led by Naomi Long\u00a0<a title=\"Alliance only ones to say no. Rest, with qualifications.\" href=\"http:\/\/www.newsletter.co.uk\/news\/regional\/alliance-denies-claim-it-scuppered-haass-process-by-rejecting-deal-1-5781485\" target=\"_blank\">rejected all that was on the table<\/a>. Not that that Alliance proposal would have been\u00a0the only threat to liberties in Haass:\u00a0<em><strong>thedissenter<\/strong><\/em> articles focused on the <a title=\"Hidden dangers in Haass.\" href=\"http:\/\/www.thedissenter.co.uk\/52\/hidden-dangers-in-haass\/\" target=\"_blank\">underlying threat to liberties in Haass<\/a>; looking at the three key strands <a title=\"First, Parades &amp; Protest.\" href=\"http:\/\/www.thedissenter.co.uk\/56\/dear-dr-haass-first\/\" target=\"_blank\">here<\/a>, <a title=\"Flags, symbols &amp; emblems.\" href=\"http:\/\/www.thedissenter.co.uk\/55\/dear-mr-haass-secondly\/\" target=\"_blank\">here<\/a>, and <a title=\"Thirdly, matters stemming from the past.\" href=\"http:\/\/www.thedissenter.co.uk\/54\/dear-dr-haass-thirdly\/\" target=\"_blank\">here<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Some might ask if the proposal for a &#8216;flags commission&#8217; could be considered is a measured response for the traducing of Alliance following the <a title=\"Alliance central to change of Belfast City Hall flag policy\" href=\"http:\/\/www.newsletter.co.uk\/news\/politics\/election-2015-latest\/council-to-vote-on-union-flag-at-city-hall-1-4547668%20\" target=\"_blank\">Belfast City Council flag vote<\/a> and subsequent street protests? Some might suggest that\u00a0the Parades Commission has hardly provided a positive model for the improvement of community relations, for addressing accommodation (other than creating no march zones, much to republican delight), or for assuring the triumph of the Rule of Law &#8211; a poor record of serving natural justice, for starters.<\/p>\n<p>Few seem to ask where such regulation (the Parades Commission) would exist in Europe (or any other continent) to legally control a culture,\u00a0a singular culture: because the intent of legislation has a deliberately disproportionate impact on a single culture in Northern Ireland, no matter what is said to the contrary. In Europe, probably no such example\u00a0since the 1930s.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www1.thedissenter.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/05\/CEJoWX-W0AA-MZk-1.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone wp-image-315 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/www1.thedissenter.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/05\/CEJoWX-W0AA-MZk-1.jpg\" alt=\"CEJoWX-W0AA-MZk\" width=\"599\" height=\"394\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www1.thedissenter.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/05\/CEJoWX-W0AA-MZk-1.jpg 599w, https:\/\/www1.thedissenter.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/05\/CEJoWX-W0AA-MZk-1-300x197.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 599px) 100vw, 599px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Elsewhere, North Korea? Watch out for a second attempt at implementing some sort of &#8216;flags commission&#8217; from the outworking of the &#8216;<em>Commission on Flags, Identity, Culture and Tradition<\/em>&#8216; within the\u00a0<a title=\"Stormont House Agreement PDF\" href=\"https:\/\/www.gov.uk\/government\/uploads\/system\/uploads\/attachment_data\/file\/390672\/Stormont_House_Agreement.pdf\" target=\"_blank\">Stormont House Agreement<\/a>. It featured in <a title=\"on Haass revisited, 'flags commission' from about 32mins in.\" href=\"http:\/\/www.bbc.co.uk\/programmes\/p02qs3zw\" target=\"_blank\">Naomi Long&#8217;s election interviews<\/a>: and\u00a0the\u00a0<a title=\"PDF of 2015 Westminster Manifesto available on this page.\" href=\"http:\/\/allianceparty.org\/document\/manifesto\/alliance-2015-westminster-manifesto#document\" target=\"_blank\">Alliance Manifesto<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>More recently, the Equality Commission\u2019s case against Asher\u2019s bakery is presented as out-of- date religious fundamentalism standing in the way of progressive advances in LGBT rights. In this, the dominance of <a title=\"Indiana civil rights come before freedom.\" href=\"http:\/\/www.spiked-online.com\/newsite\/article\/indiana-civil-rights-come-before-religious-freedom\/16845#.VS1iyc61iTA\" target=\"_blank\">\u2018civil rights\u2019 trumps individual rights<\/a>.\u00a0However,\u00a0the <a title=\"Indiana: Why we must be free to discriminate.\" href=\"http:\/\/www.spiked-online.com\/newsite\/article\/indiana-why-we-must-be-free-to-discriminate\/16840#.VS1jE861iTA\" target=\"_blank\">case for\u00a0individual rights, including the right to exercise (lawful) discrimination<\/a>\u00a0(in the original sense of that word), is regularly shouted down: that case needs to be made, and heard.<\/p>\n<p>The DUP response to the Asher\u2019s bakery case, the attempt to introduce \u2018conscience clause\u2019 legislation, is a \u00a0poor response in that it identifies \u2018Christians\u2019 in a group, in exactly the same way that LGBT is a group &#8211; two wrongs making\u00a0a rights&#8217; mess. &#8216;Group rights&#8217;\u00a0\u00a0subvert the individual to a mere part of the greater whole \u2013 dehumanising the argument into a conflict for political dominance, with the Courts as the battlefield. That never\u00a0ends well. It may result in a legal ruling, where one side wins: but everyone loses as positions retrench.<\/p>\n<p>Nor are the issues at the core of the &#8216;cake&#8217; debate able to be narrowed to\u00a0one solely between Christians and LGBT; though in Northern Ireland issues all too often are viewed within our own little fish bowl. Different identities can share similar views, even if each believes it has little in common with the other.<\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/RgWIhYAtan4\" width=\"560\" height=\"315\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen=\"allowfullscreen\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p>The longer discussion is on Crowder\u2019s podcast <a title=\"Louder with Crowder\" href=\"https:\/\/itunes.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/louder-with-crowder-podcasts\/id929121341?mt=2\" target=\"_blank\">here<\/a>\u00a0is\u00a0also available in the UK iTunes store and on SoundCloud. Note that Crowder makes it clear some Muslim bakeries were prepared to take his cake order, but that it only takes one to say no to make a legal case and a political campaign&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>Ironically, the politics of group (e.g. Christian v LGBT) identity is exactly the sort of \u2018tribal\u2019 politics that progressives\u00a0rage against:\u00a0could be as easily race or religious identity; though\u00a0some might claim\u00a0it is completely different, it isn\u2019t really. <a title=\"talking class and not colour...\" href=\"http:\/\/nickcohen.net\/2008\/11\/01\/lets-talk-about-class-rather-than-colour\/\" target=\"_blank\">Nick Cohen had a good take on the dangers of conflict arising from identity politics<\/a>, and the accompanying mantra of political correctness back in 2008:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>As the hard times start to bite, the obsession with identity politics will certainly lead to communal groups competing for scarce resources and shouting \u2018<strong>racist<\/strong>\u2019 every time a grant application is rejected. Jon Cruddas, the left-wing Labour MP, is already fighting the white backlash in his Dagenham constituency. He told me he despaired of an officialdom that unthinkingly played the BNP\u2019s game by seeing \u2018everything through the prism of race\u2019. Did it really not guess that working-class voters would reclassify themselves as \u2018whites\u2019 and join the identity game?<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>For &#8220;racist&#8217;, replace with homophobic, or sectarian, or whatever.<\/p>\n<p>Hate speech laws are an extension of identity politics: a legal means\u00a0(where might is right) to close down debate, by assigning regulatory force to silence arguments that may well be (most certainly) distasteful and often deeply obnoxious. And offensive, like <a title=\"Charlie Hebdo\" href=\"https:\/\/charliehebdo.wordpress.com\" target=\"_blank\">Charlie Hebdo<\/a>.\u00a0<a title=\"Arguments for hate speech bans, and against them.\" href=\"http:\/\/freespeechdebate.com\/en\/discuss\/nineteen-arguments-for-hate-speech-bans-and-against-them\/\" target=\"_blank\">Do laws against &#8216;hate&#8217; speech, which demonstrate a hatred for others (on whose\u00a0judgement?) have a place in democratic society?<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Rather than\u00a0make\u00a0a reasoned and constructive argument that counters and defeats another\u2019s view by being persuasive and positive, the progressive thing to do is to reach for the law:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www1.thedissenter.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/05\/DV-progressive-tweet-1.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-medium wp-image-310\" src=\"http:\/\/www.thedissenter.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/05\/DV-progressive-tweet-300x182.png\" alt=\"progressive tweet\" width=\"300\" height=\"182\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>In reaching for the hammer of the law, progressives&#8217;\u00a0language is derogatory, intolerant and, well, just as hate-addled as anything they rail against.<\/p>\n<p>Lacking intellectual honesty or coherent argument, consistency is out the window.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www1.thedissenter.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/05\/Screen-Shot-2015-05-06-at-20.35.13-1.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\" size-medium wp-image-323 alignleft\" src=\"http:\/\/www.thedissenter.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/05\/Screen-Shot-2015-05-06-at-20.35.13-211x300.png\" alt=\"progressive.\" width=\"211\" height=\"300\" \/><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/www1.thedissenter.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/05\/CD61qDoW0AAzveg-1.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\" size-medium wp-image-314 alignleft\" src=\"http:\/\/www.thedissenter.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/05\/CD61qDoW0AAzveg-169x300.jpg\" alt=\"CD61qDoW0AAzveg\" width=\"169\" height=\"300\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>But then, progressives\u00a0know they are right, because the law says so; if not, they&#8217;ll make it so.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Progressive steps: the\u00a0regulatory hammer to hand. Progressives\u00a0believe they are right. No. Progressives\u00a0know they are right. And to reinforce that certainty the default position is to make sure they are, by law. First response to impose that &#8216;rightness&#8217; is to reach for the regulatory hammer.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[4,6,7,8],"tags":[107,121,125,150,224],"class_list":["post-252","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-dissenting","category-general","category-human-rights","category-individual-freedom","tag-haass","tag-human-rights","tag-individual-rights","tag-liberal","tag-rights"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www1.thedissenter.co.uk\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/252","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www1.thedissenter.co.uk\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www1.thedissenter.co.uk\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www1.thedissenter.co.uk\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www1.thedissenter.co.uk\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=252"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www1.thedissenter.co.uk\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/252\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www1.thedissenter.co.uk\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=252"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www1.thedissenter.co.uk\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=252"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www1.thedissenter.co.uk\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=252"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}